Romans 13 with its command to submit to authorities has historically been used to justify all kinds of injustices and oppression, in both South African and globally.

In this episode, David and John sit down with Ph.D. student and pastor Bradley Trout to discuss the interpretation of this passage in its original historical context, as well as its history of interpretation. What is the extent of submission to authorities? When is disobedience allowed? How do we correctly interpret and apply this passage in the context of institutionalised injustices like slavery, colonialism, or apartheid? How might we reconcile this fairly positive picture of the state with the far more negative picture of the state as a demonic beast in Revelation 13?

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