In this episode David and John sat down with One Mokgatle from Rooted Fellowship and Regional Director of Acts 29 Southern Africa to speak about black leadership in multi-ethnic church spaces. We spoke about trans-culturalism and identity in Christ; about white flight and distrust of black leadership. About Churches as prophetic voices on economic reform and racial transformation. We asked why are black pastors always talking about race?

We asked questions about white shame and black anger; about reconciliation as an identity rather than a programme. We spoke about the incredible weight put on diversity hires not to mess it up. And of course we spoke about building new and more inclusive tables.

Audio produced by Exilic Music