Podcasts

In this episode David and John discuss former deputy president FW de Klerk's recent statement (and subsequent apology) that apartheid was not a crime against humanity. We discussd de Klerk's history of similar statements, as well as his testimony before the TRC. We probed what biblical repentance could look like and explored if the church in South Africa was guilty of a cheap repentance. In particular we asked if white…
In this episode David and John sat down with the "godfather" of African American theology Dr Carl Ellis. We spoke about black consciousness, Dr King and Malcolm X and the limited gospel of American evangelicalism. We heard how black consciousness gave Dr Ellis the right questions with which to approach the text. And how Dr Ellis' own theological education had little to say to the context of his life and…
In this episode David and John sat down with One Mokgatle from Rooted Fellowship and Regional Director of Acts 29 Southern Africa to speak about black leadership in multi-ethnic church spaces. We spoke about trans-culturalism and identity in Christ; about white flight and distrust of black leadership. About Churches as prophetic voices on economic reform and racial transformation. We asked why are black pastors always talking about race? We asked…
Our theology and our church culture have not given us the permission, the language or the means to adequately sit with the despair, the anger and the shame of racial injustice, ongoing trauma, and a deeply scarring history. We need to recover the lost gift of lament. Without first learning how to lament we can never truly experience reconciliation. In this episode David and John explore biblical lament. Why is…
For too long black Christians have been begging for a place at the table of a largely white shaped evangelicalism. Seeking what has often felt like scraps of recognition and affirmation from those at the table. Or alternatively have had to compromise so much of who they are in order to get a seat at the table. But what if we built new, inclusive tables. Tables where it was ok…
In this episode David and John respond to the ongoing violence against women and children perpetrated by men in our land. Deliberately centering the conversation on men we explore what the Bible has to say to this toxic masculinity that has so pervaded our society and our churches. How do we respond to statistics which suggest that over 40% of South African women will be raped in their lifetime? Is…
In this episode David and John sit down with Dani Moosajie and Alexa Matthews from Arise Family Centre to talk about Justice and Adoption. Learn more about Arise and the work they do in family strengthening and adoption support. Listen in as we ask some hard hitting questions about race and adoption; keeping families together; the danger of a saviour mentality in adoption; white parents raising black children, ethnic identity…
In this episode David and John sit down with Pete Portal, from Tree of Life in Manenberg to talk about his recently released book "No Neutral Ground: Finding Jesus in a Cape Town Ghetto." While Pete tells the story of his journey from London to Manenberg, we talk about incarnational ministry, the narrative of fear around Manenberg, opening their home to recovering addicts, apartheid spatial planning, prayer walking, God's miraculous…
In this episode David and John sit down with Jordan Pickering the author of Turn Neither Right nor Left: Re-centering Evangelicalism, to talk about the current toxic polarization within evangelicalism. We discuss the trend of labeling (social justice warriors, liberals, fundamentalist) and dismissing and the danger of arguing from camps rather than embracing positive doubt, disagreement and questioning in order to better read the Bible and engage justly with culture.…
In this episode David Cloete sat down with Jeremy Koeries from J-Life, Africa to talk about Discipleship and Justice. What is discipleship? What does discipleship have to do with justice and overcoming racism in the church? What implications does justice informed discipleship have for the South African context? How significant is proximity to the poor for discipleship and justice in a country with a history like ours where we were…