Julle Mense

The work of justice includes both critique and energizing hope to imagine a different way of living in this world. A new way of being shaped by the character of God and the values of his kingdom. The story of New Hope SA is just one of those stories of hope. In this episode, David Cloete sits down with Richard, Rudy, and Micheal from New Hope SA to talk about…
The claim that white farmers are being disproportionately murdered and tortured in racially and politically motivated attacks designed to intimidate white farmers and drive them from their lands has over the last few years become increasingly vocal and attracted larger and larger numbers of followers. In this episode, David and John examine the claim that there is a genocide against white farmers happening in South Africa. Are farm attacks politically…
Romans 13 with its command to submit to authorities has historically been used to justify all kinds of injustices and oppression, in both South African and globally. In this episode, David and John sit down with Ph.D. student and pastor Bradley Trout to discuss the interpretation of this passage in its original historical context, as well as its history of interpretation. What is the extent of submission to authorities? When…
In this episode, David and John sit down with the multi-talented visual artist, hip-hop performer, and pastor Ntokeko Mjijwa to talk about Justice and the Arts. What role have the arts historically played in the fight against injustice and oppression? How have the arts been used adversely to promote injustice and entrench false or harmful narratives? How might the church use the arts to speak against injustice and promote justice?…
Racial trauma is the accumulative effects of racism on an individual’s mental and physical health. In this episode, David and John sit down with psychologist Helen Malgas to discuss racial trauma, what it is, and how it affects us. Can even processes of speaking out or reconciliation contribute to continued racial trauma? How has the church in the past contributed to racial trauma and how might churches today be continuing…
Many of those who choose to speak up against racism and against injustice in the church, particularly black brothers and sisters, face the very real possibility that they may lose jobs, funding, career opportunities, and reputations. Isisekelo is an organization that was founded in order to ease some of those very real tangible repercussions faced by those who choose to align with and live out a more holistic gospel that…
The brutal murders of George Floyd ("I Can't Breathe)in the States and Tshegofatso Pule, in South Africa earlier this month was a testimony to the awful reality that, in our world, some lives matter more than others. In this episode, David and John reflect theologically on the Black Lives Matter (#BLM) movement and in particular its significance for South African today. A narrow gospel focussed only on individual salvation has…
The work of anti-racism and for justice can be incredibly exhausting and even at times lonely. We have all seen or heard stories of those most passionate for justice, shipwrecking their faith, their marriages & families or even their own lives. In this episode David and John sit down with Tyler Burns, Vice President of the The Witness: A Black Christian Collective and co-host of Pass the Mic, to discuss…
In this episode David and John sat down with Heidi Segal from Outliers to talk about the impact of the COVID-19 lockdown on education, the proposed phased reopening of schools, the realities of long-term structural inequalities in education and how the work of Outliers is positioned to address some of these challenges. The discussion also touched on how we understand the gospel and the role of the church in addressing…
In this episode David sat down with Jemar Tisby, President of The Witness, a Black Christian Collective, host of the Footnotes Podcast and co-host of the hugely influential Pass the Mic podcast, to discuss his new book "The Color of Compromise: The Truth about The American Church's Complicity in Racism." They also discussed the importance of truth-telling for reconciliation, the importance of the black church, why racism is not merely…